Giants, Ships, and You.

[thearcguardian]

So, a problem has recently come upon me and one of the members of the forum. Giants aren't really taken into account when it comes to ships. Obviously, a small ship can't handle a full blooded Giant. So what i'm proposing is either another chart of giant built ships (for full giant crews) or a modification on ships to allow giants aboard, so it's capable for a giant to join a crew of others that aren't giants.


Obviously, as a new member I have no idea how much this modification would be nor how much the giant ship chart should be. But it's something that should be brought up and thought about.

[Roin]

This thread is moot in purpose; we already announced ages ago that we were going to be implementing items to allow Giants to shrink for travel/navigating towns more easily. Give us time to roll it out.

Edit: Also, Large and Grand ships to my knowledge are easily capable of carrying Giants. I also believe we would allow a Small or Medium Vessel purchase be dedicated to a single-Giant vessel that can house a person or two for smaller groups, you'd simply need to make that the custom modification.

Edit 2: The pricing would likely vary, as we've not had one made. But I expect it wouldn't be too expensive.

[Shinku]

I wouldn't say it's moot, cause even with the announcement ages ago... I think this still isn't in place? So a little reminder doesn't hurt.

[Vio]

Honestly, I think even a Medium-sized ship could carry a single Giant in addition to the rest of the crew, depending on it. I do agree though, I don't think we so much need an item to allow for it as another means of customising a ship?

[reddaddy]

Giants would crush the decks of human ships regardless of the ships size with every step unless they were reinforced. Vio brought up the massive weight of giants in mitis character creation. 20 tons concentrated behind a foot step on the deck of a human made ship would crush it. A customization for not just the size of the ship but reinforcement would have to be made. The ship would probably cost a HUGE amount when you think about how every facet of it would need to be much thicker and stronger.

[Roin]

I wouldn't think Giants would step around much, if at all. Reinforcing the deck is also equally... not terribly needed. The reason for this is due to the fact that ships are naturally capable of carrying up to and beyond 80 tons on average, which means that of the full-size Giants we have, there's no threat of breaking a ship unless you do something stupid. On top of that, the giant wouldn't be standing on a ship. They would be sitting, to spread their wait and to ensure they don't lose balance and fall.

The TLDR is that the customization option is one that doesn't need to "reinforce" anything. That will just lead to small ships enduring ridiculous levels of weighted force. At best, ships would simply need flotation aids and grips to ensure the Giant doesn't fall off or sink you. Because while ships can carry 80 and up on tons, that would "sink" the ship, making it lower and deeper in the water, which would have a TON of affects on a ship. Therefore, the biggest issue isn't damaging the ship, but ensuring the Giant doesn't make the ship capsize or submerge in storms.

[thearcguardian]

Depends on the ship but Roin is right, Caravels (small ships) could infact withstand up 40 - 50 tons of capacity. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravel#Design for reference.


Honestly my point is not the fact of weight, it's size. How do you fit a giant on even a medium sized ship comfortably? That's what i'm thinking of when it comes to these things.

[reddaddy]

Ships can carry tonnage sure, but the weight will be evenly dispersed in the hold for cargo, or in its various rooms with items for various purposes. If you drop 20 tons from a giant making a step on the deck on a concentrated point on the floor than the floor WILL break. A giant can't be expected to sit or hold still either. Think about how tall 40 to 50 feet is as well and look at ship designs online. There is virtual no room for a giant to stand. Heck there isn't maybe even enough room to sit except for the deck. It would have to be a very large ship with tons of customizations from a human shipwright perspective.

There are luxery and spartan customization options that cost 1000 beli in the marketplace. Maybe a reinforcement option along that line of that can be offered with a price on very large ships only. That way it only takes a small edit to the frankys super ships section to account for it.

[thearcguardian]

Sillily enough, the best idea i've been given so far. Is to have the giant on a raft [with some sort of protection from the sun/weather] and pull him behind the ship.


But for a ship built for a giant. That's another story.

[White Mimic]

I'm reading this stuff about tonnage and realistic weight capabilities and thinking "It's One Piece, let's capitalize on gratuitous suspension of disbelief." I think the weight of a giant shouldn't matter as long as we aren't going overboard, like no absolute mammoths a la San Juan Wolf are going to fit on a medium boat. Hell they don't even have a boat big enough for him in the show and he's just been swimming up to this point.

I'd say for something like this, giants should treat a ship as a type of boat proportional to their size. Your standard giant standing at 40-50 feet (can't remember which it was and I'm too lazy to check as I type) would probably be able to treat a small ship as a single man row boat (not ideal for the giant or the rest of the crew), a medium ship as a rowboat with walking around room (and could maybe carry a few giants up top, 2 or 3), and a large ship as a small or medium ship that they can't go inside. Or at least that's the proportionality I've come up with off the top of my head without checking.

Basically everything Roin said, just play it by ear what would be appropriate and what wouldn't.

Ships for giants would probably have to be large ships at minimum and extra size increases would have to be like... addon features or something.